Costs involved to turbo charge a starlet
Posted 03 June 2005 - 12:05 PM
Good on you
This thread is a general guide to what needs to be done, what you can cut corners, and how much you can expect to pay.
It's very easy to see the "$1300" price tag for the basic turbo kit and assume that's all you are going to have to spend. Unfortunately this is not the case.
You have 2 options.
1: 4efte transplant from ep82 GT or glanza V (technically should only be from glanzaV)
2: 4efet (turbo your 4efe stocko engine)
Option 1 should give you 100kW at the fly
Option 2 should give you appx 135kW at the fly
First of all, differences / similarities between the turbo import engine and the stocko Aus engine:
Block is the same
Crank is the same
Cams are very similar, 1mm difference
EP91 fuel pump is stock supra fuel pump, -can support a large demand
No extra oil squirters
Compression ratio from 9.6 - 8.2 (Pistons slightly larger to make this)
4efte gearbox stronger
4efte connecting rods thicker
4efte clutch slightly stronger
4efte oil sump has oil return from turbo
4efte oil pump different
4efte crankpulley (harmonic stabiliser) substantially heavier
4efte drive shafts thicker
4efte supsension slightly different
4efte injectors larger to support boost
That being said, there are 4efe's that have been turbo charged and been running powerfully happy at 15psi for many km's
Positives with transplant:
Bolt in fit
Should get some funky white Glanza V dials
Should be able to sell some parts for money if not needed
Should only be one - two days labour to drop everything
Negatives with transplant:
The engine could be in bad condition, it has happened in the past
Water pump / timing belt / fuel / oil filters / oil should be replaced
Transport of the half cut
Needs EPA tests and engineering to register
Half cuts range from $1500-$3500
$500 exhaust (cat, catback, muffler, fitting)
$16 Spark plugs
$30 Fuel Filter
$7 Oil Filter
$65 Timing belt
$150 Water pump
$1000 labour (maybe cheaper if import is GlanzaV)
Free: EPA test
$120-$500 Engineers Certificate
Overall budget of transplant:
Will go crazy fast, much more power than stock CT9 4efte engine
Engine no. remains the same (no engineers cert / EPA test required)
Some items upgraded would have to be upgraded in transplant engine if more power was desired anyhow (such as intercooler, clutch etc)
Kit available with much success
Running higher compression will give better off boost performance
Gearbox has to be treated with more respect
Brakes aren't as great as import half cut
Many things are required to happen to do this upgrade
$300 2nd hand turbo
$3160 Comprehensive turbo kit (including ecu, manifold, lines, air filter, fuel regulator)
$1100 Turbo back exhaust (including dump, flex, cat, muffler, fitting)
$1275 Water / air intercooler (including piping, hoses, clamps etc)
$430 New clutch to hold the power
$40 Turbo happy oil
$150 Injectors (such as 4agze)
$650 remove / install old / new turbo setup
$150 install water / air cooler
Overall budget of 4efet
What corners you can cut:
Load preset on ECU by Dale, -$300 tune
Cheap 2nd hand intercooler + mild steel piping, -$600
Use stock clutch (will slip after 6psi), -$430
Cheapest budget cutting corners DIY: $5450
The difference in price is quite substantial, but so is the power output
After the conversion / turbo:
Further upgrades you can look at:
SUSPENSION! sway bars, camber kits, shocks, springs etc, very fun!
Even larger injectors
Limited slip differential
More engineers cert's
does it end?
choose wisely and enjoy
Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:26 PM
ive spent over 10grand now but thats motor, suspension, brakes aswell and ive cut labour down heaps.
but as you said it never stops! :wink:
Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:52 PM
Posted 04 June 2005 - 05:46 PM
but you cant register a car with a new engine block without having EPA tests + engineers certs
yes you SHOULD get turbo'd 4efe ep91's engineered
but its not 'essential' unless you get pulled over by a cop who wants to probe around..
i'd deffinately do it...
Posted 04 June 2005 - 08:59 PM
Posted 05 June 2005 - 08:03 AM
Posted 05 June 2005 - 01:03 PM
i thought i remember a post on twincam when ppl had a go about dales turbo kit, and someone ran through different compression ratio of different turbo cars, starting off with startlet at 8.2 and running to some skyline at 9.1, so it made a 9.2 4efe look fine.
but i'm sure i could be wrong, after all eric, you have alot more experience with 4efe's than me!
Posted 05 June 2005 - 03:31 PM
Posted 05 June 2005 - 06:28 PM
Posted 18 June 2005 - 12:01 PM
expect the worst!
Expect that there is going to be ALOT of hidden costs involved in any upgrade and budget for them.. that way if you arent out of pocket it is a bonus.
Also expect not to have your car for a few weeks.. things dont just happen quickly.
Things can be fine when your car goes in then because of the extra power, age of the swap you are required to buy heaps of other stuff and other parts sh*t themselves.
Posted 17 August 2005 - 08:05 AM
If you find a good low cost frint cut, there is no reason why you have to get all those bits and pieces.
My front cut cost me $1600 + exhasut cost me $450 ($275 of which was the cannon mufler only.) + Gear box & motor oil.
I did it by stripping my ep91 and using all off a ep82 - wires, A/C, power steer, engine & all.
It cost me ~ $2000 and 2 days to do my self.
Engineer mod plate are $100 here but i still recon we dont need one. They are real easy to get as the engine mounts are identical.
Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:16 AM
Posted 31 August 2005 - 12:52 PM
Yeh dont expect everything to go smoothly, for my replacement 4efte in my ep71 i was quoted about $600 and 2-3 days, ended up costing $1150($900 labour + parts) and took a week and a half.
Lol and its still gotta go back due to a misfiring problem i cant seem to shake. Engine was fine in halfcut but misfiring when put in the car.
Allways expect it to cost more
Posted 31 August 2005 - 01:20 PM
but its a good idea to change your timing belt and water pump while the engine is out, and new spark plugs, fuel / oil filters are always advised when putting in an engine that you have no idea how it was treated. if you wish to leave them as is, then it's your decision, but it's not too hard to add up an estimated cost (from what you choose...).
C.O.L.O.S.O, i spoke to dale about fuel pumps i believe (it was a while ago). he is able to push up to 17psi with the ep91 stock one with td04l. i may be wrong.. it was a while ago when i gathered the info for this
Tarkers, i put labour as $1000, broken up as $500 engine drop and $500 wiring. but as you said, things can go wrong and end up costing you more. out of curosity, did your transplant cost $1150 including wiring?
Posted 31 August 2005 - 01:31 PM
Posted 31 August 2005 - 01:54 PM
Yeah that was the total cost of swapping the new engine over, 2 engines out, 1 engine in + wiring(ep82 cvs and auto box were used in the swap too)
Posted 07 August 2006 - 08:44 PM
Posted 07 August 2006 - 10:30 PM
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